Participants

Mark Hood; EVP & Chief Administration Officer; P10 Inc

Luke Sarsfield; Chief Executive Officer, Director; P10 Inc

Amanda Coussens; Independent Director; P10 Holdings Inc

Ben Budish; Analyst; Barclays

Alex Bernstein; Analyst; JPMorgan

Stephanie Ma; Analyst; Morgan Stanley

Chris Kotowski; Analyst; Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.

Presentation

Operator

Hello, and welcome to the P10 second-quarter 2024 conference call. My name is Lateef, and I will be coordinating your call today. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, today's conference call is being recorded. I will now hand the call over to your host, Mark Hood, EVP, Chief Administrative Officer. Mark, please go ahead.

Mark Hood

Thank you, Operator. On today's call, we will be joined by Luke Sarsfield, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Amanda Coussens, EVP, Chief Financial Officer, and Chief Compliance Officer. Additionally, in the room with us today is Arjay Jensen, our EVP and Head of Strategy at M&A.
Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that this conference call, as well as the presentation slides, may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements reflect management's current plans, estimates, and expectations and are inherently uncertain. Actual results for future periods may differ materially from those expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements due to a number of risks and uncertainties that are described in greater detail in our earnings release and in our periodic reports filed from time to time with the SEC. The forward-looking statements included are made only as of the date hereof. We undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements as a result of new information or future events, except as otherwise required by law.
During the call, we will also discuss certain non-GAAP measures which we believe could be useful in evaluating the company's performance. A reconciliation of these measures to the most comparable gap measure is available in our earnings release and our filings with the SEC.
I will now turn the call over to Luke.

Luke Sarsfield

Thank you, Mark. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Our second-quarter performance demonstrates the strong momentum we have in our business, underscores our ability to execute the strategic plan we laid out at the beginning of the year, and we believe positions P10 well for the second half of 2024 and beyond.
We raised and deployed $844 million in gross new fee-paying AUM and delivered record revenue of $71 million, representing 14% year-over-year growth. We delivered fee-related revenue, or FRR, of $68.3 million, a 12% increase compared to the prior year period, and generated approximately $33.6 million of fee-related earnings, or FRE, a 3% decrease from Q2 2023. This represents an FRE margin of 49%. Amanda will provide additional detail on our second quarter financial performance shortly.
We have continued to gain traction with clients in the second quarter. We had 12 commingled funds in the market, providing multiple avenues to meet the particular investment objectives of our clients and achieve our organic growth goals. I want to take a minute to highlight some of our momentum on the fundraising front.
Our NAV lending strategy, Hark Capital, closed Fund IV at $645 million, meaningfully exceeding its target of $500 million. The fund received strong re-ups from existing investors, as well as significant new commitments, and represented more than a 60% increase compared to its predecessor fund. As a credit strategy, Parks fees are generated as capital is deployed, which means we will see the revenue contribution over time.
Our Venture Lending Manager, WTI, closed the second quarter with $321 million of fee-paying assets in XI, which remains in the market and continues to raise capital. Bond Accord, our strategy that provides growth capital to alternative asset managers through non-controlling equity interests, ended the second quarter with 890 million in capital raised for BCP Fund II, which we expect to close later this year. Given the robust investing opportunities that we are seeing in this business, we continue to expect to launch BCP Fund III in 2025.
TrueBridge, our venture capital strategy, closed its flagship fund at $880 million, exceeding its target of $750 million. TrueBridge expects to launch additional funds this year, including Blockchain 2 and Secondaries 2.
RCP is positioned to deliver strong performance heading into the second half of the year. They recently launched Direct Fund V and anticipate launching Secondary Fund V later this year. We are excited about the investing opportunities that we are seeing and anticipate strong LP demand.
Through two quarters, we've achieved 61% of our 2024 goal to organically raise and deploy $2.5 billion of gross new assets. We remain confident in meeting or exceeding this target and the financial guidance we provided the market in February. With the number of funds in the market scheduled to increase as the year goes on, we expect continued strength in the back half of the year.
Next, I want to highlight the ongoing progress around our key strategic initiatives. We remain steadfast in our commitment to the corporate imperatives we laid out in February. We're creating value through doubling down on focus areas that are performing, eliminating ancillary processes, and implementing world-class systems that are set to yield tangible results.
I will now run through some of the key second quarter highlights and comment on the progress we've made. First, I'm thrilled to share that last week we announced the appointment of Sarita Narson Jairath as Executive Vice President and Global Head of Client Solutions, effective in mid-September. Sarita brings more than two decades of client-facing experience in the alternative space at firms such as Blackstone, JPMorgan, and Goldman Sachs. She will be integral in developing a comprehensive framework to serve our growing investor base. Sarita will help define the strategy and execution of our organic growth initiatives by expanding our client relationships and developing new products and offerings. We look forward to her leadership at the firm as we advance the platform's long-term growth strategy.
As you will recall, when I let out our steady-state P10 senior organizational structure in February, I contemplated a structure that would have four executive vice president level roles reporting directly to me and focused on four critical vectors: one, finance and compliance; two, administration and operations; three, strategy and corporate development; and four, client solutions and capital formation. With the appointment of Sarita, we have now established a world-class senior team. I'm really excited to have the opportunity to partner with these extraordinary professionals and take P10 to the next level.
I also want to highlight that we named Tracey Benford as our lead independent director. This new role enables additional effective oversight support from our experienced diverse board. As P10's chairman, I cannot be more excited about the opportunity to work with Tracey.
Next, we continue to execute on a disciplined and process-driven approach to inorganic growth. Arjay Jensen and his team are doing a fantastic job as they build an inorganic growth engine and pipeline. We are encouraged by the opportunities we're evaluating, and we remain on track to announce a strategic transaction in the calendar year. Of course, we will remain selective as we seek to execute on the right transaction at the right terms.
On that front, as we announced earlier this week, we increased our total borrowing capacity from our credit facilities from $359 million to $500 million. The larger facilities provide us greater financial and strategic flexibility, and importantly, extends maturities to August 2028. We want to thank our financial partners and our bank syndicate, which is made up of new and existing lenders, many of whom upsize their commitment.
Finally, as I addressed in our summary of Q2 results, we are pleased with the reception around the new KPIs we introduced to our reporting structure. As our Investor Day approaches in September, we will look for additional opportunities to increase transparency for the investment community.
Before I hand the call off to Amanda, I want to touch on our capital allocation efforts, which remain focused on creating value for shareholders. We continue to believe our stock presents a compelling entry point for investors who are looking for access to a diversified alternatives platform focused on the lower and core middle market.
In the second quarter, we repurchased 1,533,800 shares at an average price of $8.12. That takes the total quantum of shares repurchased since the beginning of 2024 to $42.5 million. Since the inception of our repurchase program in 2022, we have repurchased a total of 8.2 million shares at an average price of $8.70. As of June 30, 2024, we had approximately $8 million remaining on the program. After the quarter, our Board of Directors authorized an additional repurchase in the amount of $12 million, bringing the total available for repurchases to approximately $20 million.
With that, I'll hand the call over to Amanda.

Amanda Coussens

Thank you, Luke. P10 delivered strong financial results in the second quarter as our strategies continue to benefit from ongoing improvements to our corporate-level organizational structure. During the second quarter, fee-paying assets under management were $23.8 billion, an 8% increase on a year-over-year basis.
In the second quarter, $844 million of fundraising and capital deployment was offset by $855 million in step-downs and expirations. As we mentioned at the start of the year, we expect step-downs and expirations for the full year to be approximately $1.5 billion. with most of the step-downs and expirations having occurred in Q2, and the remaining approximately $500 million distributed across Q3 and Q4. As anticipated, most of the second quarter step-downs and expirations are attributable to RCP Fund IX, a 2014 vintage, and TrueBridge Fund II, a 2010 vintage.
Revenue in the first quarter was $71.1 million, a 14% increase over the second quarter of 2023. Average fee rate in the second quarter was 115 basis points, which was driven by higher fee rates from direct strategies becoming a larger part of our fee-paying AUM mix, as well as higher catch-up fees.
As Luke mentioned, we had 12 commingled funds in the market and saw broad participation across our investment platform. Our private equity strategies raised and deployed $302 million. Our venture solution raised and deployed $159 million. Our credit strategies added $368 million to fee-paying assets under management. And our impact strategy added $15 million to fee-paying assets under management.
The performance of P10's strategies is reflective of our diverse global investor base comprised of family offices and wealth managers, public pensions, and endowments and foundations, as well as our season deal teams to continue to execute on best-in-class investments and generate durable alpha.
In the second quarter, catch-up fees were $6 million, bringing the total for the year to $13.7 million. Catch-up fees are driven by the timing of fund closings, and in the second quarter, the fees were primarily attributable to closings related to Bonaccord II, RCP XVIII, and RCP Multistrat II. Based on the projected fund closings that may occur in the second half of 2024, our catch-up fees could exceed our previously stated annual guidance of $16 million.
Operating expenses in the second quarter were $54.2 million, a 4% increase over the same period a year ago. The increase was primarily driven by compensation expense and placement fees. Gap net income in the second quarter was $7.4 million, an increase compared to $2.1 million in the comparable period a year ago.
Adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter was $35.4 million, an increase of 2% from the second quarter of 2023. For the quarter, our adjusted EBITDA margin was 50%. Our margin came in a bit higher than expected due to the strength of our direct strategies and product sync. We still expect margins for the year to be in the mid-40s% as we continue to make key investments that we believe will deliver clear ROI.
For the second quarter, adjusted net income, or ANI, was $28.8 million, an 8% increase over the second quarter of 2023. Fully diluted ANI EPS was $0.24 per share, an increase of 9% on a year-over-year basis.
As discussed in our first quarter 2024 earnings results, we've included the following metrics for increased transparency and to help the investment community draw better apples-to-apples comparisons with the asset management landscape at large.
Fee-related revenue, or FRR, fee-related earnings, or FRE, and complementary FRE margins. FRR in the quarter was $68.3 million, representing a 12% annual increase and FRE was $33.6 million, representing a 3% decrease. Our FRE margin was 49% in the second quarter.
Cash and cash equivalents at the end of the second quarter were $31 million. At quarter end, we had an outstanding debt balance of $303 million and $56 million available on the revolver. Today, we have an outstanding debt balance of $325 million and $175 million available on the revolver.
We are pleased to have amended and extended our credit facility, which positions P10 for enhanced flexibility as we continue to evaluate potential transactions in the market. Our syndicate increased to 14 lenders, with many upsizing their commitments. I am exceptionally thankful to all our banks who participated, especially our joint lead arrangers, JPMorgan Chase Bank, KeyBank Capital Markets, and Texas Capital Bank.
We've worked with many of our lenders for years and appreciate their confidence in the company's ability to execute on our strategic growth plan. We enter the second half of the year with a strengthened balance sheet while maintaining relatively modest leverage levels, which we believe is prudent in the current environment.
We also continue to pay our quarterly dividend for Class A and Class B common stock. Today, we declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.035 per share, payable on September 20, 2024, to stockholders of record as of the close of business on August 30, 2024. Finally, as of June 30, 2024, our Class A shares outstanding were $53,471,354, and Class B shares outstanding were $58 million, 207,544.
Last month, we announced our Investor Day will be taking place on September 19, 2024, at the New York Stock Exchange. Additional details can be found on the Investor Relations page of our website. We invite you to join us and hear directly from our management team and affiliated managers on our financial outlook, growth levers, strategic vision, and investment thesis.
Formal presentations will be followed by a Q&A session, all of which will be webcast on our Investor Relations website. We look forward to updating the street on our growth plan and meeting with our investment community in person in September.
Thank you for your time today. We look forward to updating you on our continued progress in the second half of the year as we execute against our growth initiative. I'll now pass the call over to the operator to begin the Q&A session.

Question and Answer Session

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Ben Budish, Barclays.

Ben Budish

I guess maybe to start just on the fundraising, Luke, you mentioned you're 60% of the way to your full year target. It sounds like there's a lot of momentum you feel good about. I guess just from a messaging perspective, why not raise the target? I guess there's still a couple quarters left to report, but just curious about what the upside to that might look like if there's any more color you could give there.

Luke Sarsfield

Thanks, Ben. Well, as you recall, I think when we did the 61%, that was obviously off the $2.5 billion. But our guidance was, as you recall, $2.5 billion or more. And I think we're feeling really good about the or more. I think we really have clear momentum to be able to organically raise and deploy $2.5 billion or more. As we mentioned, we had 12 funds in the market last quarter. We think those numbers are going to expand as we get into it, as we get into the second half.
And when you look at some of the individual strategies, we think we have a lot of momentum, right? So you look at TrueBridge closing the flagship fund at $880 million, up from the target of $750 million. You look at Hark closing Fund IV at $645 million ahead of the $500 million target. You look at the initial success of WTI and we're still in the market raising. You look at the ongoing momentum in Bonaccord and that, that we're still raising.
And then I think we're really going into an exciting fundraising cycle in RCP. So I think we feel really good about the number, you know, in the back half and frankly beyond. We're obviously going to talk a lot more about the longer term fundraising momentum and the client activity that we're seeing at our investor day. But I think we feel really, really good about our ability to meet and exceed the targets we laid out.

Ben Budish

Got it. Helpful. And then maybe just thinking about the deployment environment, we saw sort of a mix of performance from some of your larger cap peers, but a number of them showed like very meaningful step ups quarter over quarter in deployment. And yours stepped down a little bit quarter over quarter. Now you operate in some different markets and probably go to head-to-head a bit less than I think some might expect. So just could you comment on what you expect for the back half of the year there? Any sort of nuances about the markets in which you operate that would be less obvious from what we're seeing from some of your peers?

Luke Sarsfield

No, look, I think, and again, I can't comment on our peers, but just on us, I think we continue to see a really attractive investing environment across many of our businesses. Recall that a lot of our businesses, when we report, we report on committed capital. And so that's what you're seeing in the fundraising. The big place, I think, where we're really charging on deployed is in our NAV lending strategy.
And I think we're seeing some really, really robust opportunities to deploy capital there. We just raised a larger fund. I think we're obviously given some of the stresses and strains that the buyout market is under where we're a lender to many of those funds. whether it's to be able to do portfolio add-ons, whether it's to be able to sort of stretch and do new strategic transactions within the funds, we're really affording our underlying clients the ability to do that.
We think that continues to be a really robust environment. We're obviously going to be, it is a credit strategy, and in credit strategies, we're going to be very prudent about risk underwriting. Obviously, we want to generate great returns for our LPs. And so we're going to be balanced. We're going to be measured. When we think there's an opportunity to lean in, we'll lean in. But we're very comfortable with our pace of deployment right now.

Ben Budish

Understood. And if I could squeeze in one more just kind of detail question. Your other revenue is quite a bit higher in the first half of this year versus prior years and higher in Q2 than Q1. Could you just remind us what's in that exactly and why has it been going up? And is this like an OK run rate to think about for the rest of the year?

Luke Sarsfield

Amanda, do you want to take that?

Amanda Coussens

I think in general, in the second quarter in particular, we had a bit of incentive fees that came through other revenue. That is not typical for our model, as you're aware. And really, these incentive fees get earned based on performance and structure of the specific investment. The incentive fees you're seeing in the financials this quarter in particular are the result of just one client at RCP. And so we feel like disclosing FRR, FRE, and FRE margin certainly make it easier to appreciate the nature of our business model, which is built upon lead and carry with the underlying strategies, as we've said in the past. There is a bit of ongoing revenue, but I would say, in general, it's fairly minimal.

Ben Budish

Okay. All right. Great. Thank you.

Luke Sarsfield

And Ben, maybe if I could just add one thing to that, that is times like these are expressly the reason we wanted to give you what I would call a more apt and easy comparison with our peers. And so this is why we rolled out the KPIs like FRR and like FRE, so that you could take out sort of any volatility in any given quarter, obviously positive, volatility in this case, and we're happy to have it.
We're really excited about that relationship that we have and the client that we have there, and the success we've had for them, which ultimately generated that incremental incentive fee revenue. But on the long run, we want to really make sure we're giving you the apples to apples comparison, and that's why we did move to FRR and FRE.

Ben Budish

Understood. Thank you for taking my questions.

Operator

Kenneth Worthington, JPMorgan.

Alex Bernstein

Hi, it's Alex Bernstein, I'm for Ken. Thanks so much for taking our questions. For my first question, I wanted to double-click on theories. I know they stepped up quite a bit, even when we're comparing on an ex-cash-of-fee basis. You mentioned there are some direct strategies coming online that are driving these. How should we think about theory on a go-forward basis, and say for a reasonable timeline, maybe the rest of this year and next year, to the extent you're able to comment?

Amanda Coussens

Yes, thank you for the question. Our core fee rate, ex-catch-up fees, should be approximately 105 basis points for 2024, as we've had it in the past. Our average all-in fee rate in the second quarter of 115 basis points was really driven by higher fee rate direct strategies becoming a larger part of our fee-paying AUM mix, as well as higher catch-up fees in the quarter. We look forward to unpacking our dynamics around our fee rate, catch-up fees, and growth framework across our various strategies that are upcoming investor day.

Alex Bernstein

Thanks so much. Maybe to ask a bigger picture question, you mentioned the M&A topic again. Definitely seems like an area of focus. You mentioned that you're planning on announcing a deal at some point this year.
What areas are you looking at specifically or where are you seeing interesting opportunities? There's obviously been quite a bit of M&A in the broader alternative asset management space. Are you thinking of a geographic expansion? Would it be a certain type of strategy that you're currently potentially missing that you want to add to the fold? Just more and more commentary on your strategy there, [Tix], that you can provide. Thank you.

Luke Sarsfield

Sure, Alex. Happy to. And obviously, as you mentioned, M&A is an important part of our business model. It has been. And it will continue to be. And we think that ability to drive inorganic growth is really valuable. It's valuable to us. We also think that ultimately, it's valuable to our LPs. And that's why we engage in it.
And I just say a few things. One is, when we think about what we want to accomplish, one is we want it to be additive to the whole of P10. We want it to be simpatico and symbiotic with our other strategies. That's really important. And obviously, we're only going to do transactions that we believe make both strategic and economic sense for P10 and for our shareholders. And so those are kind of the constraints as we think about.
When we look out in the broader environment, I'd really highlight kind of four areas or four different kinds of M&A transactions that we're evaluating at any point in time. One is what I would call what you think of as bolt-ons to existing strategies, tuck-unders to things we already do. We have seven market-leading strategies That doesn't mean that there aren't things that we could tuck up or tuck under those individual strategies.
We're always on the lookout for those. And the good news is we often run into them because our strategies are out there in the market every day doing business and they're seeing and running into some of these other smaller institutions. And so, if there's an opportunity to do something that fits very nicely and tucks under and adds a capability or some sort of investing acumen to one of our existing strategies, we're always open to do it.
I would then say to your point, there are three areas we really think about as broadening our remit and our footprint. First, and you mentioned it, was geography. Certainly, our business is predominantly a North American business at this point. And we think some of the strategies we execute on very ably in North America have analogs outside the US, in Europe, in Asia. And so being able to deliver on a global basis for our clients is something that is really important to us. We can obviously do that synthetically right now, but if we could do it with proprietary P10 investment strategies, that would be even better. And so we really look at what might be out there in the geographic landscape.
And then to your other point, we also look at capabilities and what are some of the capabilities that, you know, we may not have in the broad-based way and that we're also hearing loud and clear from our LPs that they would like and they would like to have from us.
And so I think two areas to think about there. We have a number of private credit strategies, but in the vibrant middle of the private credit spectrum, whether it's direct lending, whether it's asset-based lending, we don't really have a full broad-based strategy there. And so if there was something we could do that would leverage our ecosystem in the middle and lower middle market around private credit, we'd be very excited about that.
And then I think the other place that we frankly get a lot of LP inquiry about is real assets. And I think that's both real estate and infrastructure, but I think particularly Many of our clients are looking for infrastructure exposure, and they've asked us, we think P10 would be a great partner to help provide that. Is that something you would think about over time? And of course, the answer is absolutely yes, if we could find the right strategy and the right platform.
And so those, that's kind of the quick roadmap of the things we're looking at. I would say that Arjay and his team have done just an absolutely fantastic job of building out a framework, an approach, a process, one that's replicable. and one that really focuses on not just reacting to what comes to us but focusing on what are the right platforms for us that we want to own and what the engagement and cultivation strategy to be with those platforms such that when they do decide the time has come for some evolution in their ownership structure, we're at the top of the list. And so we're really focused on that as well.

Alex Bernstein

That's very helpful. Thank you so much for the detailed answer.

Operator

Stephanie Ma, Morgan Stanley.

Stephanie Ma

Hey, thanks for taking my question. Maybe just one follow-up on the M&A question. Can you just give us an update on how you think about uses of capital here as the debt balance is growing and you increase your total borrowing capacity? How are you thinking about share buybacks, potential M&A, and pace of debt paydown at this point?

Luke Sarsfield

Well, let's start here. So first and foremost, our capital allocation priorities have not changed, right? And they remain the same. They will remain the same. So as we've always said, number one is that we're going to maintain our dividend and presumably over time grow our dividend at a reasonable pace, consistent with our historic practice.
Our next two priorities then, and it will obviously depend and it'll be conditioned on where is our share price, where are the opportunities in the broader M&A market, but it's always going to be share repurchase and M&A. And you can see, again, we highlighted some of the activities we've taken on share repurchase.
When we see an opportunity and we think our stock price, for whatever reason, is dislocated, we're going to lean in there. And I think we did that particularly in the first and second quarters of the year. And obviously, to the extent, touch wood, it doesn't. But if it were to happen again, we would be very focused on it and continue to lean in. And you saw that we increased the authorization to do share repurchases back up to $20 million.
And then M&A is a really important strategic priority for us, as we've talked about. We want to do a deal. We want to do many deals, but we want them to be the right deals over time, that is.
I've talked before about this approach of crawl, walk, run. And so we're going to be really thoughtful about the kind of M&A that we do. And we want to make sure that we've really built the M&A and the inorganic muscle in the right way so that we can execute on it, integrate on it, and then deliver the, you know, IRR or ROI out of the M&A deal in the right way that we think our shareholders demand. And so those are going to be probably the next two priorities. And obviously, at any point in time, maybe the relative positioning of them changes, but they're very close. And then debt pay down is going to be kind of the last priority.
One of the things I would note here is as a factor of the fact that we did this new facility and we upsized, you know, the credit facility, We haven't yet started. That hasn't yet started to amortize. When it does start to amortize, we'll obviously pay it down. And so whenever we have excess cash, we're generally not going to hold that cash. We're going to use it for one of our four priorities that I outlined there. But we may just be for a minute at a moment in time where our ability to pay down any of our debt is a little bit constrained because we put a new facility in place and there's nothing actually drawn on the revolver right now.

Amanda Coussens

And I would just add to that, we also have an accordion feature on the facility. So we increased from $359 million to $500 million of availability, but also have an additional $125 million, potentially, as an accordion. So we have a lot of room for future transactions.

Stephanie Ma

Great. Thanks for that color.

Luke Sarsfield

Transactions at the right price.

Stephanie Ma

Yeah. And maybe just a broader question on data. BlackRock's recent acquisition of Preqin, that's brought the value of private market data to the forefront. Maybe you can just talk to how you see your data sets as differentiated in your approach to leveraging data as a private market solutions provider.

Luke Sarsfield

So Stephanie, that's an outstanding question. And I will give you a very high-level answer here, but I will tell you there is going to be a whole module at our Investor Day on September 19 where we're going to talk about how we utilize data in our business and actually give a demo of our proprietary data set. And so I think that'll be really exciting. And I know you'll be there, but I encourage everybody to look out for that. And that'll be something that'll be on our website afterwards. So if folks want to do a deeper dive on our data, they'll be able to.
But to come to the point, we think data is kind of the currency of the kingdom in this business at some level. And it's what makes you better at what you do in almost every aspect of your business. Certainly it's critical in capital raising. We capture a lot of data around capital raising, around clients, and hopefully we use that data to better inform next best actions.
And then obviously in our investing processes, in our sourcing process, in our execution process, data is incredibly important. We're very lucky because of our footprint and presence in the middle and lower middle market, we have data longitudinally going back decades. and our ability to leverage that data to glean insight around types of transactions that we're contemplating, investments that we're considering is really differentiating.
And it really, I think it's one of the other reasons that really informs the, frankly, the raison d'etre of P10, because this stretches across all our strategies, right? The access to that data can inform, you know, a decision to become an LP and RCP. It can inform a decision to take a minority stake in Bonaccord. It can inform an ability to make a NAV loan in Hark. And so that data is really foundational to what we're doing across the platform. And as I said, we'll talk a lot more about it and actually share a demo of how that data works and how we apply it at the Investor Day.

Stephanie Ma

Will stay tuned. Thank you.

Operator

Chris Kotowski, Oppenheimer & Co.

Chris Kotowski

Most of mine were asked, but I just wanted to follow up on the fundraising side about the RCP secondaries and co-investment funds. I'm curious, how long was the marketing period for those? Typically, between the first and the final close, what should we be expecting there? And I don't know if you've shared the target size for those funds, or if you can give an indication of that.

Luke Sarsfield

Yeah, I would say so. I'll take a couple of questions. So first observation, you asked about our RCP co-investment fund. We call it our Direct Fund, and it's Direct V by the way. And then our secondaries fund, we call it, you know, SEF or secondaries.
And so just some sense, generally I would say, and again, it will obviously depend on the environment, it will depend on the momentum, it will depend on a lot of things, but usually we're in the market for somewhere between three and six quarters with these strategies, right? And I think my guess is this time would be similar. So think of it as a year to a year and a little bit of the plus.
I don't actually -- I want to be a little careful here. I don't know what we've said in terms of sizing publicly. And so I want to be just a little bit careful on it. But obviously, anything we can share, we can share. But I will tell you, as a directional kind of thought, you've seen what we did in the last of those strategies, right, in terms of direct four and secondaries four. Both of these strategies, I think, are very timely and very resonant with the LP base. And so I think it'd be very reasonable to assume that there's a lot of momentum in those strategies, and we think that will lead to successful outcomes.

Chris Kotowski

Okay. Great. That's it for me. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference back to Luke Sarsfield for closing remarks. Sir?

Luke Sarsfield

Well, thank you, Lateef, and thank you so much to everybody for joining us today. To close, we are extremely proud of the demonstrable progress that we've made in the first half of the year as our team thoughtfully structures the platform for continued growth. Further, we are confident we have the right strategy in place to deliver long-term value for all of our shareholders. I look forward to seeing many of you at our Investor Day in New York on September 19, and I wish you all a happy and healthy close to the summer. Thank you.

Operator

And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.